Title: the LIBRA interview
Author: voidzilla

Transcript:
for the last 48 hours I've been
investigating the Argentinian memec coin
disaster known as Libra if you don't
know the president of Argentina posted
publicly supporting this meme coin and
subsequently it is all crashed and
people have wondered where the money is
with a $100 million seeming to go
missing now I've been in touch with the
key players in this trying to get
answers and what you're about to hear is
an hourlong interview with Hayden Davis
who is the main guy behind the launch
and a lot of the token decisions he
currently sits with aund million in his
possession that he's trying to find out
what to do with you you will discover
through the course of this call that it
is not the first time we have been
talking I have been trying to
communicate with him for as I said the
last 24 to 48 hours um and this is not
the interview for like pushing from my
view cuz I wanted to get information I
feel like the biggest thing we're
missing is answers and so I listen I was
just listening a lot of this call I do
think we got some incredible admissions
but I wanted to say it's not my
characteristic like ah scammer um and
that was by Design the guy was very
skittish from the beginning and so I
didn't feel like that was an appropriate
um kind of reaction the people
everyone's going to have their opinion
on this guy either way based on what you
hear but um I thought a more like
neutral approach just letting this guy
talk it is the first time he's talked
since he he issued like a statement on
Twitter it was like a minute long and it
wasn't received very well so I wanted to
give him the chance to kind of D dump
all the information out at once uh the
interview starts abruptly because he
starts with some off the Record stuff
that I had to cut out um but but yeah
hopefully this shed some light on what's
going on I'll just start I can I can
just start talking about certain things
one of the issues with Libra and what we
hold on I just want to know can can we
consider this part on the record cuz I
don't want to include the stuff about
you know all that kind of stuff that's
not like anyone's business I appreciate
you sharing that context the Libra stuff
is sort of the the meat and potatoes
what I wanted to talk about the Libra
stuff is fine like the Libra the Libra
stuff is fine okay go ahead so like one
of the issues with Libra right I mean
there's there's a there's so many
details in in in this story but one of
the issues with Libra is when you launch
on Meteora right and you're trying to
avoid all these snipers there's not
there's not like there there's this
whole context around like shitloads of
um insiders that's not that's not what's
going on what's going on is you have
these I don't know how they're doing it
but these expert snipers like guys that
are clipping
1.72 million 800,000 1.2 million into
the charts and then what you have is you
because you know on big launches all
this volume's going to come in and then
you're like [ __ ] this guy like at one
point one of one of the top wallets
which for some reason still hasn't sold
a bunch I don't understand why but had
$57 million right and had a five billion
market cap or 4.5 which is what which is
what uh Libra was at that's still going
to crush the chart it's not like that's
five billion it's not like that's $4.5
billion so then you have to make a
real-time decision where you're like
okay do I pull some of the side some of
the do I swap some of the liquidity out
to protect the floor knowing that I know
that there's more marketing plans coming
or do I just let the chart get crushed
right and that's what hap every single
one of these launches that's what
happens where it's like three to 10 guys
get these massive chunk they're not good
snipers right they're all bad snipers
they're just looking to unload their
whole position you can't track it you
can't find it
doesn't matter if you subpoena it it
doesn't like it takes forever it doesn't
work and so every launch right this
happens now what happened with Libra
specifically um which I'm happy to share
uh even though Javier and his team have
told me that there's a pretty
substantial interview coming tomorrow um
that'll be live on TV um I don't think
that's like super publicly known but
like like he's going to basically clear
up a me and then B um
uh Libra as the project because he's
obviously under scrutiny but basically
what happened was when it
launched our goal was okay can we
collect enough um liquidity which again
people can say we're pieces of [ __ ] or
not but that the goal is to connect
enough liquidity because Malay was going
to do another video and then there were
some other I won't name them but there
were some other highl people that were
going to interact post Etc Market the
video right so our goal was can we take
enough liquidity off to get all the
snipers out or at least control them so
when the chart dips down it's not going
to crush the whole project have Malay do
the second round of of videos and then
inject all the capital back in or or at
least the vast majority um and create
like a mega like a mega Trump launch
basically and I don't know I still don't
have answers on exactly what happened
with uh with um uh why he took the post
down I'm assuming there's some extreme
political pressure that he got and he
panicked um as somebody in his position
I would feel rightly so I mean he's not
like a crypto native person and then
we've been working through like okay
what can we do from here but like you
know people are saying this is a rug
pool like that's not objectively true
there's still like there's what 60
million on the bonding curve of
liquidity that's locked right it's that
300 million market cap like it's not a
rug it's it's it's a plan gone miserably
wrong with a $100 million sitting in
account that I'm the custodian of but
I'm not I I I don't I'm I would love
instruction on what to do with it I
don't want I don't have no desire to be
Public Enemy Number One of how to make
this happen I'm not benefiting from this
my life is just in
danger yeah so there's a few things I
want to touch on there um thanks thanks
for that explanation the 100 million I
think the view from the public
is that like rug is a CO a word at this
point which is so widely used that it
has like a colloquial meaning too and it
just means sort of like unfair value
extraction I think that's like kind of
the colloquial meaning and in this case
the unfair value extraction would be
like taking money out and the view was
that that there there's no there was no
Clarity on like what that was going to
be us so for so people just thought like
oh they're just taking profits right
like this is $100 million of profits in
such and such a time so that was the
view but um yeah obviously something
needs to be done with this $100 million
to to put it try to put it back in the
you know people's hands there's I think
that's going to be a very complicated
tough process because it's very
difficult to do that with people not
further taking advantage of the
situation right um and if I could just
comment like it's also multi-sided right
because like it's a meme coin like if
you're you're turbo nuking your whole
portfolio into a meme coin right like
that I mean not Financial advice but
like it's foolish so I understand that
but at the same time it's
like like I was even talking about this
today with a number of different people
it's like how do you assess a value when
the token's Not Dead the president's
most likely going to support it so it's
going to have some element of probably
going back up and you have to both
control The Narrative of like okay
people have lost money because they've
chosen to sell but the token's not dead
yet like where do where are those lines
and the answer nobody can give me an
answer sure yeah I'd be surprised if mle
backtracked and and I I think Malay is
gonna wash his hands of this but you
know I could I could definitely be wrong
I don't know the whole situation um I do
have a question like uh just like a yes
or no like did is Malay gonna make money
on this no no no no right my second
question are the two people who are
involved in this launch Manuel and
Mauricio yes from Tech Forum Argentina
yes yes yes okay kit protocol was going
to run the the nonprofit or whatever it
was going to be like a foundation right
yeah honestly like yeah they didn't have
much they didn't have much to to do with
it and then you were going to launch the
coin but you weren't going to do like
distribution of the money so so yeah uh
I can talk a little more about that so
like the the plan like this was supposed
to be an experiment right like Malay
Malay has a deep desire to put
everything on chain like to make
everything public to make like every
like all the or like all the um all the
financial transactions of the country
like he wants to tokenize right so I've
been in talks with tons of different
people tons of different foundations
about structuring what that would look
like over the next couple years and so
like the idea was like okay well let's
experiment with this and see how it goes
um because again it's not like like he
supported it but it wasn't like it was
his official meme coin let's also like
make make that crystal clear and um yeah
so anyways just side note
but right so what um look a big part of
this is like
you know people are trying to figure out
what's going on this money gets taken
out of the account and then there's this
accusation that
insiders had knowledge of the contract
before it was out all these you know
kol's these these basically people in
the know in the industry knew about the
coin prior to launch and therefore could
have either one just shared the facts
that fact with other people which is bad
because it gives people unfair
advantages but two benefited from the
knowledge themselves I think a like very
easy example is Dave pornoy who knew
about the launch like he I think he said
two weeks before you even uh ever like
before it ever came out right so he knew
about it just as a quick Amendment
although Dave claimed that he knew that
it was probably coming out he said he
did not buy early or as an Insider I
bought 10 minutes or so after Malay
tweeted I would have bought 10 Millie if
could have that's how I was sold on this
uh so just to be clear although he knew
of its existence his his statement is
that he did not trade early I just
wanted to make sure we had that in the
story he had time to put $5 million
together which he traded on you know
this coin then he loses the money IR
ironically and you refund him and so
that is like the kind of Insider like
benefits and unfair Ness that I think a
lot of people are going to look at and
go like this is so rigged he traded $5
million worth of it and then even when
he
lost you refund him right
so couple things one that was probably a
mistake to be honest with you at at at
the moment at whatever that was uh I
don't know when that was whatever it was
middle of the night whatever I'm going
back and forth with him I'm thinking
well Malay is going to publicly support
this this is no big deal I don't want
Dave to lose money I'm not not thinking
from the perspective of like holy [ __ ]
uh everybody's going to get [ __ ] on
this that's not the perspective so I
probably need to have a conversation
with him and I'm sure there'll be
different terms that we talk about um as
far as like people knowing about the
token
um I mean like look I I can't say that I
I or anybody that knew about that or
manu or Mauricio um haven't told a
singular soul I can tell you very few
people knew
um the idea of insiders to me is always
[ __ ] because every meme coin I've
ever known or invested in or been a part
of like the people that benefit are the
people that know like the people that
benefit the most are the people that
structure the deal similar to any other
B business in the world people that are
closest normally make the most money or
lose the most money one of the two so I
don't I think that's a bit of [ __ ]
and that's just like crypto people that
are angry that they're like there's
always an unfair there's an unfair
Advantage if you're a genius on chain
and you know how to game the system on
Meteora and there's 30 guys in the world
that know how to do that better than
anybody so it's like yeah but there wa
wait wait there's unfair games right
there's people who know everything about
socks you can be Warren Buffett but
there's a difference between being
Warren Buffett and being a guy with
Insider knowledge on like fiser
pharmaceutical and trading on your
Insider knowledge so I think the
frustration is people are frustrated
that not that you're good at Trading but
that you knew something no the public
didn't know and you traded on that
information which in the public markets
it would be illegal it would be insider
trading right but on memec coins a it's
not and B that's what happens on every
single deal I mean every kol every
single one globally that's how their
main money gets made they know about a
deal they agree to a deal and then they
make money on the
deal like that like if if you're calling
out that you have to call out everything
else
yeah I
mean literally I I do think that's
unbelievably shitty I do think that's
unbelievably bad and and for everyone
except for the except for the Insiders
which is what I always say about meme
coins is it disproportionately benefits
insiders so so I think too like my like
my honest opinion is like I I don't
actually disagree but I think like the
the vast majority of people betting on
Meme coins right especially at the
beginning and I I I I think there's a
separate conver retail Traders like that
is the game for everyone and people that
get mad are the people that aren't
insiders that is what happens that's the
all the bitching on socials is all the
people that don't get into the deals
you'll never hear them [ __ ] if they're
in the
deal so it's like what what what do you
do then you don't you don't do anything
you don't launch the project you're like
how do you make money then if sniper
like like what do you do that's that's
always the question that's just to be
clear there's a difference between doing
a deal like you know and using the
information you have from inside inside
the project to make trading decisions
based on that those are different things
I can get paid for a tweet let's say and
as I long as I disclose that I don't
think that's necessarily a problem but
if I'm I'm on the side buying up a
million dollars worth of this coin
because I have Insider information from
my position in the deal I think that's
wrong and should be rooted out if people
think these markets should be treated
like capital markets I mean that's what
all the cpto people say I don't I don't
think people should treat them as
capital markets cuz they're not that's
not what they are well you're the guy in
the deals though of course you know
right but
but but even the even the deals which I
just like bet on whether it's like you
know [ __ ] jail stool or whatever if I
throw money into it I have there like I
don't treat it as a regular stock I'm
like dude I have this could go to zero
tomorrow I have no idea right so it's
like I I don't I treat it like a like a
casino cuz that's what it is yeah but
the weird thing is is that the people
who always say like oh there shouldn't
be like this regulation or that
regulation are always the people who are
tilting the table at the casino like I
hear Davey talk about like oh you babies
in the
trenches cried oh Dave D Dave so this Co
okay first of all most babies in the
trenches aren't getting refunded $5
million secondly Dave like Dave's like
oh you're mad at me cuz I dumped on you
before before you dumped on me stuff
like that you're just mad you didn't
dump them on [ __ ] me it's like well
Dave you're part of what controls what
people do because people are trading
based on you so it's like of course
people inside the casino who control the
most levers are like yeah we don't think
there should be any rules as to like
what we say or what we do as long as we
just disclose like hey I'm going to do
this to you you know not Financial advis
whatever let me just say like don't like
people like Dave for example like Dave
Dave a is a good guy number one number
two Dave doesn't know that much about
what's going on with meme coins yet like
he doesn't he has no IDE like he's just
he's just kind of like figuring it out
he he he just figured out a couple weeks
ago like [ __ ] if I oh so if I bet on
this and I talk about it oh the price
goes up this is so crazy and weird how
do I do like what do I do with this so
crazy and weird look look look hold on
hold on I no I don't want to focus on
him cuz in some ways I appreciate his
transparency and it show knows a lot of
the things that are going on behind the
scenes that we don't see but what I'm
I'm just making the larger point which
is that everybody who's like yeah we
should deregulate this whatever it's
like and we this shouldn't be treated
like everything else they are also a lot
of the times you'll find the same people
who are rigging the game or have some
hand in the game that is an unfair
Advantage uh it's just like what you
said the people who complain are the
people without the unfair Advantage the
people who don't complain are the people
with the unfair Advantage like I I think
that is a true statement I want to move
on though from that because look like a
l a lot of this has turned into some of
the wallets which are being um linked
back to you are like linked to wallets
which sniped the coins that you launched
right so in the case of Libra there's
the the wallet which Dave got refunded
by which is according to him your
personal funds was linked to an
avalanche wallet which was funded like a
sniper
of Libra so but if but if you launch the
coin isn't it unfair for you to snipe
the
coin so uh I would say no and I and I I
would say that for a couple different
reasons number one a lot of the times
when and again this is like I mean again
much larger
conversation uh which is what I told you
in text but um most of the time when
worse a I have lots of I have I have
different money in different places
obviously um but from the standpoint of
sniping most of the time when we're
sniping we're attempting to avoid other
snipers getting in right so whether
that's and I by the way I don't conduct
Snipes I'm not a Dev I just want to
throw that out there for like I don't
even know how to I don't I like if you
told if you if you put me in front of a
computer and had me try and figure out
how to snipe I don't I don't even know
what I've never done a bot I don't know
any of that [ __ ] but you you're not
denying that while it's linked to you
sniped Libra
but you're just saying link to link to
the project I wouldn't say link to me I
would say link to the project link to
the the wallet which refunded Dave which
Dave said was your personal funds that
just so that just happened to be at the
time of stress where we moved money from
but that was just a mistake I mean if if
anything cuz like what like in in that
particular case all I would do is like
that money um when it went back into the
chart it would just flow through another
wallet back into the chart like that
money that money that we consider
sniping quote unquote is the project
money right that's how we that's how we
do it for I mean any time we've done it
that's how we do it and the most of the
time the snipe is to deter and if
there's enough volume on the project we
use it so that it has the ability to
continue
on and I think that's very hard for
people to understand I will AG I I will
agree with that I think that is going to
be hard to understand because because
you have like like look right you have
and I'll give you a great example if you
look at Trump and you look at the Snipes
right Trump had so much volume the
Snipes didn't matter they they made zero
difference no that well wait hang on
that's not true there was a guy who
sniped early for $1 million the big
crash in Milan that everyone attributes
to Melania was actually that sniper
selling like tens of millions of dollars
of coin like the one that did like 84
mil right that one yeah yeah um I well
yeah I mean
I we we we we could argue all day my
point
is sniping when you're the team I'm not
saying it always should happen but I'm
saying a lot of times it's to protect
and and if there's enough volume take
some off so that people can have a
chance to pump the chart back up because
with meme coins they go up and down so
fast these projects can get killed in
two
days and the only hope is that you have
enough of a treasury to go and try and
beat the sniper
this is a conversation that goes on with
everybody in salana everybody that knows
how these launches work that is the
conversation do you think the public
knows that when a project launches the
project is going to snipe the project
because it like it being the most
charitable right
which I'm just going to really stretch
my brain and be super charitable here
and say all of this money is not being
intended to be profit it's all for the
project right I think the public not
knowing that like you have these you
know clandestine activities with these
like side wallets going on is inherently
like kind of messed up and like the
project is controlling the Project's
price it is like a weird kind of price
manipulation where you go like oh if
it's too high we'll clip some off the
chart and then also it kind of makes the
whole idea of the the team having a
treasury wallet kind of pointless cuz it
seems like you also have a sniping
wallet Treasury and so and the public
has like zero Clarity into what's going
on here this
um I mean just to be clear do you think
this happens a
lot I think I I I think that that this
is all that happens in all of meme coins
ever unless they completely die and then
they get CTO and hopefully nobody [ __ ]
it up but I think like this is this is
just me being super transparent maybe
it's over sharing I don't really give a
[ __ ] all of these all because everything
is on the blockchain and because a
certain amount of people have figured
out how to game it when you're when
you're the responsible party of trying
to figure out how to make them last
because everybody I will tell you every
single person that launches these unless
they're just a nefarious [ __ ] they're
trying to figure out how to make these
last like my whole goal of coming into
this was like I like like if you want
the Dave story real just quick side note
I want like there was a whole deal where
the Malay team wanted Dave to be
involved so that they could do some
cross promotion and maybe even
eventually do like an interview like he
did with Trump and create like maybe if
Dave had a project at one point that
there'd be like some ability for their
holders to benefit from their holders
and like create another like social
Finance thing like that's a that's we're
always try I'm trying to figure out how
to do that and what always [ __ ] that up
is just massive sniping that's the main
trigger point of what [ __ ] it
up and there's no there's no solution
because those guys just walk off with 80
100 200 million and they're and they're
just scot-free
and and then everybody else gets [ __ ]
and the project gets blamed and so do I
think that sniping is the number one
most ethical thing of all time no but do
I think that anybody's figured out a
better way to help deter especially the
beginning launch when only the snipers
can see the launch only the snipers can
see the
ca only and they've gamed it and they've
gamed it on radium and they've gamed it
on Meteora and they pretty sure they've
gained it on Orca as
well so I let me
say so I think this whole thing of like
you snipe your own project is insane but
I will agree that sniping is a massive
problem for all these uh meme coins and
I think Insider knowledge is also a huge
problem I think both can be true at the
same time and part of the sniping
happens from Insider leaks like in the
case of the uh I I disagree I disagree
that the okay no no you can disagree but
like there are there are alpha groups
where one they're looking onchain for
stuff but they're also looking for early
contract leaks and they will pay money
to get those early contract addresses so
they can snipe the coin right but then
what so but what then what's like okay
sure what's the solution you don't
launch the produ project or do you try
and protect it like what here's what I
here's what I would ask you what would
you do philosophically I'm I think meme
coins are rent seeking zero some games
that extract value from the majority of
people who engage in them and
disproportionately benefit insiders by
how it works how the deals are
structured and by the fact that for
someone to make a dollar you have to
lose a dollar right so I I think the
whole the whole thing is Miss guided
from the outset uh but obviously I focus
my efforts on where there is an unfair
element of either fraud or insider
trading or something that colloquially
people agree is wrong CU if people want
to engage in meme coins if people want
to engage in mem coins that's fine but
if they're going to engage in meme coins
I think at least the market should be
fair like I think meme coins are stupid
but even if you if you want to engage in
stupid things it should be fair this is
what happened with casinos right casinos
there's a bunch of fraud in addition to
the unfair gambling element and so then
they got super regulated there's a
reason cinos are regulated it's because
people were getting screwed and so I
think the same
thing can and should eventually happen
with this stuff although there's
obviously a big push to deregulate
everything on the other side um look I
mean
obviously I know this is a bit of a
sensitive topic but I have to ask
because you know this is part of what my
story is about um you know a lot of
people have linked you to the Melania
launch and that is a big question on
everyone's mind mine especially which is
were you part of the milania launch and
was that sniped as
well
um I mean look I think that I mean I
told you like beforehand this before
this started I mean I'm I'm happy to
share the truth
but uh I mean you're you're you're
you're you're asking a question that's
um it's just I mean I'll answer but it's
uh just factually going to put me in
into a lot of danger um which was fine
I'll answer um I was part of it um I
think the the team did want to snipe it
because of how big the snipe was on
trumps um and we weren't the we we
definitely weren't the big
sniper um we we were not the that was
what we were trying to avoid um and uh
we didn't make any there was no money
made from the Melania team on any we
didn't take any liquidity out
zero
okay wow that's uh like shocking news
but I want to zoom in on that point we
said like well we didn't take any any
liquidity out one of the wallets we
traced to the poroy thing the ptoi you
know thing your wallet s or not I don't
know if it's your wall whoever's wallet
that was sent money to a wallet which
had like got sent $1.5 million of
Melania token from something called
Melania D liquidity
2.o and then that wallet seemed to sell
Melania tokens that it received for free
so so you said y'all didn't sell any
liquidity but I I didn't swap liquidity
didn't swap liquidity didn't swap into
single sided I didn't say there was no
uh there was no money sold there's a
difference between swapping the
liquidity and and selling liquidations
those are two different
things okay so you all swapped you
didn't sell or the other way around no
other way around other way around sold
you didn't swap
yeah interesting okay um
so is that are those the two main
launches you were involved in have you I
I've I've heard a few other launches
like Hood was that also you no okay
um
okay
what look dude I mean this is uh this is
messed up but I look let's try to get to
this $100 million thank you for being
kind of transparent about your feeling
about these things things I do feel like
you have uh you know been honest about
this look you're sitting on $100 million
here's a thing before I talk about 100
million I'm I'm just going to say one
thing like with all of this stuff right
like all all these things I like there's
there's nothing particularly like you
know people have tried to say like how
is he involved with Dave and and Malay
right I am like not a any person that's
like special I've I've hunted all this
stuff down because I was trying to get
to um hey I wanted two things one I
thought that like meme coins were a step
in the in the point of social finance
and I think I'm turning out that that's
wrong and everybody wants to kill me
instead for facilitating some of these
um but I think B I think you and
everyone else should at least take a
[ __ ] second and look at what should
people do and how should people make
money from these because there's
basically one way right there's fees
which are very nomin on on big launches
and then there's also of course the
platforms that make fuckloads of money
um no matter if there's a rug pool or a
project goes well or not which I
completely disagree with I completely
and I completely disagree with it like
pump funds [ __ ] full of [ __ ] Meteora
Jupiter uh bu bullex Photon all these
guys it doesn't matter they're just
making money on trading fees and if
people lose their shorts they're still
cooking which I think is [ __ ]
[ __ ] um and I've told many of the
owners of those of of all those
platforms that it's [ __ ] [ __ ] and
there should be some element of like if
it's a true rug or people are screwing
you uh or screwing screwing people like
screwing people there should be some
sort of like refund policy anyways aside
from that what would people do what do
you do when there's a broken system and
you're trying to fix it and you're
trying to sort out different launches
different mechanisms starting at higher
market caps figuring out who to involve
versus not how to get how to keep the ca
to yourself how to tell how to how to
Market it without telling people what
the [ __ ] should you
do I would I I would love just at least
right if this is going to be recorded
and go live and whatever that to be a
thought because nobody the best people
in crypto don't have an answer they
don't nobody has an answer for
it and I and I'm I'm I'm constantly
trying to figure out okay should we like
what should we do how should we make
money cleanly is it even possible do you
do fundamentally hold on fundamentally I
think like I think people in crypto
don't have a good answer because the
real answer nobody wants to hear which
is that it's sort you're sort of like
what's the fair way to make a bunch of
money selling like tulip bulbs or
something like that it's like you can
structure it a lot of different ways but
anything that is by definition value
extracting from The World At Large is
probably not a great thing um so I think
people in crypto don't but then every
crypto project whether they they're VC
funded or it's a meme coin is value
extracted okay well wait hang on hang on
I I think I think there's a difference
between something that is a has um it's
a word that gets overused but utility
something that does something a tool
that purports to do something and then
things that literally have no intrinsic
value at all right but it's still value
extraction it doesn't matter if it has
utility not not NE not necessar I mean
not necessarily like like take take for
example um the the company Coca-Cola
right cocacola you could say Well
they're making a lot of money for their
shareholders right but they also one
provide a good I mean you could quibble
about that but like they provide a
service people will pay money for and
they provide something then in addition
they provide dividends to shareholders
so their shareholders regardless the the
they shareholder could buy in for a
dollar and leave with a dollar but
they've made the dividends right so it's
not a zero sum game Coca-Cola is not
running a zero game apple is Apple is
not running a zero sum game these
companies that are in the capital
markets are not running zero some games
they are producing things that is what
the value is based on crypto the idea
was that we are yes it's a little
speculative at first but we the reason
you should care about this is because
there's something that is valuable
behind it there's some kind of financial
technology behind it I think that's the
overall pitch now people will argue
to well that's I mean there there's not
like like like look at any crypto asset
right like even Bitcoin right Bitcoin is
literally valuable because a shitload of
people said it's valuable and because it
quot unquote isn't controlled by anybody
that we know of like even at the top all
of it is extractive to some degree or a
zero some game none of it has
value so it's like like like whether
it's a [ __ ] meme coin or it's a giant
utility project it all is dog
[ __ ] the whole point of being of being
here is the attempt for it not to be one
day which is going to require huge
amounts of progress for it to get there
my bad yeah but the progress is not
going to come in in the in the meme coin
yeah go ahead just just just to finish
right I'm not saying I'm right by the
way I'm just saying this is my thought
I'm not at all saying I'm right but my
thought was if some of these meme coins
because that's what all anybody gives a
[ __ ] about right right now at least for
the past three four months or two three
months whatever maybe since Trump
launched is that some of these could at
least maybe again eventually create
utility or the Dave's or the you know
cone is a horrible example but some of
these big guys and they start
collaborating cross-promoting burning
tokens adding utility and maybe there's
actually potential of like social
Finance for those type of things but in
order to get there there's going to be a
fuckload of dumb [ __ ] that happens which
is the situation that I'm in right now
which is an absolute colossal giant huge
[ __ ] problem which is the hundred
million thing which we can go back
to yeah I'm I'm H I'm happy to get back
there I yeah um
you've got aund million kind of sitting
there and you're trying to find what to
do now you and I spoke in text and my
advice I don't know if it's perfect but
my advice is like look you need to take
a snapshot calculate pnls calculate who
lost money and assign pratus shares of
the losses so if you know and maybe with
an emphasis on Lower amounts so like let
me just like give you a for instance you
could cap the amount of losses somebody
could reasonably claim to like $50,000
with the Assumption being if you have
more than that you are much more likely
to be a more sophisticated Trader and
the emphasis with recovery would be on
people who are not sophisticated who are
just maybe AR you know somebody from
Argentina who just saw the Malay tweet
and was like I'll throw money at that
right um or somebody from America who
has like no IDE they you know they have
a thousand bucks and they dump money
into that so so you could make a lot of
people whole using that the downside is
is that it would take a lot of time and
an and an analytics firm frankly um as I
told you I think it would take a lot of
effort but I think that's the most
reasonable approach given how screwed up
it's all become yeah so I would um I've
been told basically four things I'm
happy like if somebody the whole point
of me texting you uh was not some
[ __ ] soab story it was like look I
need somebody trustworthy to come to
come help me cuz I don't know what the
[ __ ] to do uh and I don't want to be um
blame for something that I had no
intention of creating to be just quite
honest um and remember this is like this
is the government of Argentina Malay
like Kip I am not the team I am not the
team that's I mean I will say that a 100
more times like I'm not I have no desire
to be in the position the video I posted
was simply to try and get people to help
and no one besides like yatsu no one has
come to help that's like a crypto leader
it's insane to me I all these people are
[ __ ]
anyways there's four options right
there's no
refund and just you know and give all
the money to an Argentinian uh nonprofit
and tell everybody to [ __ ] off that's a
horrible idea in my
opinion second option is a refund but a
refund is going to be based on again a
bunch of different metrics and people
are still going to be pissed and people
are still going to come for me so I
don't I I I've been advised that that's
a terrible idea by a bunch of people
although I I I do think people should
get even though meme coins are
completely speculative and it's and it's
horeshit that uh people would throw all
their life savings into these um I still
think that's it's still based on what I
think or what Analytics thinks based on
a certain price it's still
[ __ ] um the third option is inject all
the money back into the chart I did a
calculation of how much money we have
and even with tons of sell pressure how
much is
it how much we could get it to no no how
much money do you all have sitting on
the sidelines no no no it's like it's
it's like more or less 100 Mil I like
right right around there um and I guess
there's Pro there's a there's fees too
so there's
probably uh I don't I don't know the
number but it's probably like 11 million
or so in tokens and like 13 in
fees um so let's say like
110 is million right of cash because
tokens you can't inject back into a
chart if we injected all that back into
a chart it would get up to about two and
a half three billion right which is
about where the alltime high was and and
at least gives it a chance and and I'm
and I'm I'm completely clean of that
right then there like you guys can say
whatever you want the money is back in
the chart and then people can say like
you know oh well he bought the token
before blah blah blah there's no world
in which I'm buying this token I want to
get the [ __ ] away from it this has been
a colossal nightmare for me let me let
me just pitch you because I feel very
strongly that this would be a mistake
and let me just give you the quick pitch
on why that's like a colossal that that
will get more problems okay starting
with just the fact that it's an
inequitable solution like the the other
way of a proat share at least tries to
be Equitable uh but you're talking about
a a a launch which already was plagued
by people basically the fastest fingers
taking advantage really snipers Bots
taking advantage of you know a a launch
right and and then the solution is well
let's do something which also allows
snipers and Bots to take advantage of US
re-injecting capital
that you know even when you announced
that you know hey we're thinking about
doing this if you're a Savvy Speculator
and you know hey this guy's about to run
this up to two2 billion you buy a bunch
of Libra coins on the cheap now I I
don't advise that anyone do that but um
you know it was it even when you floated
this idea to me it's like that already
created an insider trading opportunity
which I could I could have run I could
have run to the side got you know
however many thousands of dollars
together dump money into Libra and then
wait for you to re-inject money I could
go hey Hayden go inject money into the
chart go do it go do it you inject $2
billion and I get like an 100x this is a
disaster so it's like it's like because
there's an insider trading problem
there's as soon as you as soon as you do
buy why is disaster why is it disaster
because if I announce that that's the
intention it gives everybody the chance
to buy in then it's not Insider
then it's a completely free market and
everybody knows that there's money
coming back into something then it's
actually completely free but even then
but even then as you buy when you decide
to buy people the more sophisticated you
are the more you take advantage of this
right but that's the same thing it
doesn't whether it's a launch or an
injection it's the same thing doesn't
matter like that that that ends up being
like that ends up being Z that's the
same point you're
making like whether I refund people
people they're still going to be [ __ ]
pissed right refund people on a meme
coin which sounds insane or I inject
back people are going to be mad either
way why would people be mad if you if
you just say hey I mean of course of
course they might not get all their
money back but people generally like
getting something people who are like
hey send me a million and a half dollars
or I go kill your family so I still have
those people to deal with regardless if
I refund money are you of course not but
now I now now I have now I have to
protect my whole [ __ ] family
no well the first thing you should do is
get the money out of your hands you need
to go to a reputable firm you need to
set up a legal structure to get this
money out of your hand so you Hayden do
not have access like part of the reason
you're scared is because you do have
access to $100 million sure but that's
also yeah correct but if I'm being
extremely transparent honest that's also
my leverage with certain groups and
parties right the the the part the the
fact that I have control is also what's
making me a Target and also protecting
me because this is an international
incident this isn't like some random
[ __ ] scam this isn't a scam this is a
plan gone very wrong as a at a
presidential
level actually I agree I agree with you
it is a plan so if I custody it with
somebody else even if it's a trusted
third party I lose my leverage so until
and I told you off the Record what I
think's going to happen uh or maybe it
was on I don't even remember at this
point until
I have answers from Javier Malay until I
have answers from his group until I get
an actual real game plan there's this is
why I gave it a 48 hour window was like
until somebody presents a great plan
besides some [ __ ] thing where it's
going to take six months if if that's
the right plan I'll do it no problem
don't care 100% we'll give we'll give
custody over I don't give a [ __ ] I don't
want anything to do with this at all
zero
but right now where I'm sitting is my
reputation is crushed which is
fine I'm a target of M one government
potentially
more and my only leverage point is that
I have all this
money and so it's a it's a much bigger
decision than just let's get into
somebody else's hands it's not that type
of thing and that's it's not that type
of story
no I look I I'm actually so I understand
what you're saying it it's not I agree
it's not a simple story and when I talk
when when I when we talked about like
you know my suggestion my first thing I
said is like this is going to be a slow
fix and whatever you do you should do it
very slowly you should not rush in and
that's why I I another reason I said
like hey just dumping money into a chart
is not going to solve all your problems
that is the equivalent of just handing
the money away as well like I do think
you should be methodical about this but
you were talking about like oh you know
you know if we do refunds people are
going to come be coming at me I I was
just saying if you eventually find a
trusted third party then this would
alleviate the concerns of like
somebody's going to kidnap your family
and extort you for money because you
literally won't have that money to give
them um so that that's a separate point
but I I understand I take your point
which is that look I at this moment in a
weird way the hundred million you have
from the project is your way of sort of
trying to get answers for yourself
because there's Javier Malay who's
basically tried to distance himself from
you first said he was part of you guys
and he tried to distance himself when
clearly he was part of the project and
remember like there there's evidence of
me being with him multiple times right
nobody disputes and I and I certainly
would never like cavier Malay knew about
the project he endorsed the project I
think he regrets endorsing the project
but it doesn't change the fact that he
definitely endorsed it and uh it was
really endorsed by him but
there's a separate separate question of
like okay what do you do with the money
and all I'm saying is that I think you
should really think about the inequity
side of like already what ha has
happened is inequitable no one disputes
that so when going forward when you're
trying to clean up this mess you would
it is tempting to look for the easy
answer and the easy answer is you dump
the money back in the chart and you say
it's not my problem anymore go gamble
you degenerates but the like I think the
fairer way and the way that is much
harder to criticize and much like you
know more responsible is that you find
some way to you know find losses find a
way to get this a claim into people's
hands you know and just do it slowly
because I think that's the way it has to
be done given the scale of dollars sort
of at play here but um look I recognize
that I'm not in your shoes and I don't
want to be in your shoes and when you
talked about like me like really helping
out I was like this sounds like a
nightmare I don't want to inherit your
hundred million dollar problem but I do
want to see people get money back right
um so I can only give thoughts onto what
I think is the most Fair way to do this
you have to make the decisions and live
with that that's sort of like your
burden to bear um yeah but also also to
be clear like like it's my burden to
bear because nobody has said [ __ ] to me
right like I'm I'm in this extreme like
this is the the thing that I think
people I don't again it it's just insane
but I'm making decisions on behalf of
the government of Argentina who's
distanced himself from this I have
nothing to like if they want to refund
it that's what I would do if like you
understand what I'm saying it's an
impossible scenario I have they not
given you guidance on this have they
have you asked zero Zer nobody said [ __ ]
to
me
zero like zero well I think Malay is
freaking out for his yeah because I mean
obviously because he's going to get
impeached I mean well they're going to
have proceedings I don't know if he's
going to get impeached he's probably not
going to get impeached but he's def it's
definitely going to get close it it
hurts him it hurts him for sure it hurts
him a lot which is I mean I'm a massive
Malay supporter and I think he's like
absolutely clean and not corrupt at all
I think I think tons of people in
Argentina want to take him down to be
more corrupt again because they game
that whole system anyways my point point
is it's an impossible scenario to be in
I'm sitting here as like a Sitting Duck
it's not like I'm going to benefit from
this at all it's crushed any reputation
I've had I'm all over the Internet and I
don't know what the [ __ ] to do and I was
a facilitator that's the craziest
[ __ ] I wasn't I like I wasn't even the
deployer and I'm not the
team who wa when you say the team who is
the team Kip is the team I mean that's
the team that's supposed to manage this
project oh right right but you're
deploying the like the token stuff is
you but the guy who's supposed to manage
the funds after the money is like found
out is kid yeah where where I sit right
is I'm like the launch strategist where
I'm just I'm making decisions on behalf
of what the team wants right right so
I'm just making decisions on what they
want to do I'm not like I'm not I'm not
like this I'm not like a mastermind
trying to [ __ ] figure out how much
money I can make from that's that that's
not where I sit I sit I'm like I'm
trying to put these projects together so
they cross promote each other and get
bigger and bigger and become utility
that's that's the only reason I actually
started doing this like I sit between
there I I I don't have a a say in a lot
of things I'm just in most cases an
Executor but we should we should admit
you stand to make millions of dollars in
most of these cases right like we're not
we're not call yeah yeah yeah yeah I'm
not doing this for free of course not
I'm not going to say that okay I'm just
making sure we're not playing playing
you as the victim here I think you're in
a bad situation but financially oh I'm
absolutely the victim of this situation
I'm not going to financially make [ __ ]
on this situation but like I'm no I'm
not of course not any how do we know you
know this is a question that always
returns to me this is sort of my problem
with like like project sniping and stuff
like that is you know it's as I I'm I I
can trace the blockchain I would say I'm
probably in the
top 1% of humans at it because most
humans don't know how to do it right
even I when you ask me like find all the
snipers who did something it would first
of all take me forever I don't have time
it's never going to happen right it's
just too much going on and there's too
many transactions to analyze so what I'm
trying to say is you know when you say
oh I'm not going to benefit how do we
know you're not just going to peel off a
few million for yourself it'd be very
easy to do and I don't mean it as like
an accusation I'm not saying you are
doing that what I'm saying though is
when there's so much money flowing
around and when you have access to all
these dollars and their sidew wallet
sniping and oh it's to defend the
project how do we know that doesn't just
end up in you know your pockets right um
I think that I mean you can make a case
for a different projects of like what
that is I think on this particular one
uh because people are after my family
and because of presidents involved um
it's a very different game just to be
honest with you and I have zero desire
to benefit from something that could
potentially kill me and or hurt my
family so um it's a it's a much
different thing than you know uh cartels
in Argentina coming after you um or or
or other places too I mean there's
multiple threats both in the US outside
the US so um I have want nothing to do
with this and I don't want to make any
money so I mean you can take that for
whatever you want but I think it's it's
just just a different thing H
interesting um look I I think you know
you're an interesting figure in some
ways I like I I I think you know my
position on Meme coins I won't uh you
know berate you too much about I I I
disagree with it I disagree with the
sniping I disagree with a lot of this
stuff but I think you're an interesting
figure in some ways because you
represent sort of the other side of the
curtain right you've seen the inside of
some of the biggest Launches on the
Planet the the Libra coin for all its
problems huge launch Melania coin what
what do regular people need to know like
you said like oh you know people should
what do the back end of these rooms look
like how much money is being made by the
teams what is actually you know Insider
information you know like if you really
think people should uh you know be
educated you you kind of were like hey
people should think about these things
what should they think think about from
your perspective like what what is going
on in the inside yeah um I think the the
best one to look at like from uh because
I know like like both money was raised
and the most amount of money was made
was on Trump I think that's the best
example just being honest um because you
know that right you know that people
were able to buy in at 500
million yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah like
like people snipe that coin too you mean
no no no no no no like at the when
before it launched at some private
dinner
uh that that they gave people special
access to buying it at I what yeah yeah
yeah wait wait what yeah yeah
yeah who who get who gave that who who
gave
that that was that was I mean that was
what I was told like there were people
at a uh some sort of crypto event in
Washington
DC uh if that's I don't know if that's
true but if that's I I don't that's what
I was told that's what I was told by the
way and so give give me your point so
your your point is with that though so
so my point is with that and with with
with Trump or any of these big ones like
this is it's it's it is an insiders game
this is an unregulated Casino like if
you're a retail Trader thinking you're
going to go make millions off of mean
coins you better study your [ __ ] ass
off like that's how do you think pump
Fun Works pump fun B the the the the
coin bomb bonds people put money in
insiders know about it first it rips up
and it's who it's who loses last that's
how it's a game every single one of
these is a game there's none of them
that aren't games the only ones that
aren't games are ones that have
completely died and a tiny group of
people decide to CTO them so whether
it's Trump Melania Libra uh you know fog
[ __ ] what other huge ones are there I
mean you could just keep naming
all of these are a game and so from a
retail perspective I highly encourage
people unless they have like if you have
a hundred grand go spend 10 and play the
game if you want to do that but it's not
a good
idea you're it's like it's it's like
going to the casino which is like what
that's the game my game is I thought
that some of these meme coins would turn
into utility and would turn into like
giant Cross promotions and cool utility
and Partnerships and getting people like
really really socially like connected
through finance and I don't think that
at the current moment obviously like I
don't like I don't even want to do this
um and don't even know how I would uh uh
I mean like I've gotten very good at
being a launch strategist um I mean even
today as like how much hate there was
there's like 20 people that asked hey
when do you want to do this one it's
just like it's crazy but it's a game uh
it's an unregulated game um you know I
think David sacks called me go ahead no
no no oh please go go David Sachs called
what I mean David saaks called memes
Collectibles I mean our [ __ ]
president launched a meme coin two days
before he came into office
um that team I don't know if Trump
himself benefited but that team
benefited I mean go look at that do you
think that's a mistake do you think it's
a mistake to basically
let open the the floodgates for this
stuff given that you basically said look
this is all a bad idea to do for most
people yeah I mean like look I think I
have a very different perspective uh you
know than three days ago
um what I think is that like I'm very
Pro uh getting everything away from
regulated markets but I but I'm I'm now
recogniz because I think that that's
another game I think that's an Insider
game right whether it's it's the pelis
of the world or the you know stock game
that's an Insider game too it's just a
different type and people have to be
more careful but Capital markets are an
Insider game the whole thing is like I'm
I'm never nobody's ever going to
convince me that it's not rigged Banks
pay hundreds of millions of dollars a
year and to do illegal [ __ ] because they
can make more money other ways like I
could keep going on with with [ __ ]
after [ __ ] after [ __ ] I think if
you're going to die on the sword of
memein coins being you know Insider this
or sniping that like you're full of [ __ ]
cuz there's every Market in the world is
like that that makes a shitload of money
well yeah I I just I just want I just
want to put a a note in that if your
argument for Capital markets is you know
they they are rigged that's actually an
argument for more regulation against
rigging than it is for less like you
wouldn't look at a rigged game and go
hey guys let's take away all the rules
we had in place anyway to try to stop it
getting right but you have to trust then
you have to trust the regulators and
most of them are being paid off and
that's been proven time and time forever
because humans are but but but but but
once again the the conclusion to like
seeing problems in the world is not like
you realize like your brakes aren't
working correctly it's not to go like
hey The Brak manufacturer paid off so
let's just not have breakes at all it's
going it's methodically approaching it
and going okay we need to advocate for
more regulation here we need to advocate
for more rules here saying like oh yeah
it's all rigged isn't the dunk that
people think it is on rules in general
does that make sense sure but it's it
doesn't matter like that that to me like
that to me is kind of a mute a little
bit of a mute point because it's like it
doesn't matter the people that have the
most money the most access and the most
control which is insiders in any Market
in the world always
win always they never
lose that's a that's across the board I
yeah I can't disagree with that so uh
like you know to to me again what would
I tell people about mem coins mem coins
are unregulated volatile there's
insiders there's sniping there's crazy
[ __ ] that goes on and no one like and
and people at the top actually care the
most like some of the guys that I talk
to which I'm not going to name for
obvious reasons but that are at like
trying to figure this out are not bad
dudes they're all trying to figure this
out most of them are trying very hard to
figure out okay how do we make this
sustainable and nobody has gotten it
right nobody and I'm sure colossal
fuckups like Libra um will help create
structure but like you know I don't my
phone hasn't been called by any of those
guys all those
people disappear when things get hard
which is why I'm just like you know what
[ __ ] this I I actually I do have things
to lose I have a family and I have a lot
like I have a lot to lose um just in
life in general reputation Etc I'm like
[ __ ] this I'll just fight this like
people said not to talk to you and that
you're going to [ __ ] me over and I was
like dude he's a Christian dude who's a
rational person let's talk to him and
see what
happens like that that's like like the
only choice I have is like fight this
and face repercussions or don't fight
this and be called a scammer forever
which is just not the
case I do agree that you just saying
your piece warts and all is a lot better
than everyone just
speculates and your story gets told for
you I generally think that's the TR the
case um I you know you know I'm not
going to lie I'm not neither in the
position of wanting to rehab anyone's
image and I'm also not looking to I'm
just looking to tell the story as it is
so when I air this it's going to be the
I'm just going to air the whole thing
minus the parts you told me like we off
but I I'm not going to I'm not going to
clip it I'm just going to put it all out
so that people can see your side of the
story as it is and I think you have been
a lot more transparent than a lot of
people in this situation who I think
they are also scared when you said
people disappear I think they like I
think Javier Malay is scared for his
reputation I think you know Julian from
Kip is scared for his reputation
partially because he was like turned
into the boogeyman first um you know
there's a lot of people here who are
terrified but I do think you getting
your side of the story out and answering
some of these questions is good now I
don't think what's been done here is
good but I think you um you being has
been helpful so I want I want to thank
you for that yeah yeah and I I would say
like I don't know if I have a closing
thing or not but I would say like a
couple things like number one I just
want to reiterate this like not only
because I actually believe it but but
needs to be said like Javier knows jack
[ __ ] about crypto um I think he knows a
few I think he's brilliant and I think
he knows a few things about blockchain
but I don't think he realizes what he's
done so I just want to throw that out
there and I fully back him and I think
he's the saving grace to the most one of
the most corrupt countries in the world
that has a chance to be non-corrupt so I
want to throw that out there um number
two I'm sharing the story in the hopes
uh and I didn't think I would share like
to this level but I think like it's
important to know that like just because
there's a you know a A Narrative of like
like all kol's and I'll I don't know
that you're a k I don't know you
consider yourself a k or not but like
you guys are all making money from
either Shar ing content or getting paid
on deals those are the two ways you guys
make money right or maybe brand deals or
endorsements it doesn't matter like that
ultimately it's because you keep
floating content and your guys's content
in this case affects my family greatly
and puts me in a fuckload of danger even
though I am not I am not the main player
here and I would like to I don't want to
be the main player that's why I've
always sat in the facilitator standpoint
so I would
appreciate um when people like I don't
need to be a victim I'm not but I would
love if people could have a tiny bit of
um empathy because I'm going to have to
have security probably for the
foreseeable future and I'm probably
going to be extremely [ __ ] for the
foreseeable future for something that I
didn't want I wanted 100% I wasn't
taking any money on this deal I was
doing this on behalf of Malay I'm his
visor I wanted to to do this to further
other
conversations further other blockchain
technology further other initiatives I
didn't give a [ __ ] about the money that
this could
make other ones sure I'm not going to
claim that I haven't made money on them
that would be stupid but and then lastly
um you know what however you post this
and however you you know transition it I
would appreciate at least some light
shed on the fact that I am not scammer
nor do I think Libra is a dead project
and I do actually believe Malay will
support it by the way we'll find out
tomorrow the next day but my my bet is
that he supports it um and and I think
it he's better he's better off
supporting it than he's not in his
current
predicament yeah just just just just to
go back my fundamental issue sort of uh
with you assuming the100 million gets
the right people is the is the sniping
it's the like CL Destin sniping which
you are you've basically said was
requested of you is that
right yeah I mean there there's I mean
dude that's just that's a that's a
that's a long I think it's a longer
story are you benefiting from these
Snipes So I think that's the question
everyone has is like are you launching
projects you know they're going to be
launched and then you benefit from
basically investing in the project super
early and peeling off money um I haven't
uh so the answer is I haven't benefited
from them as of now um I don't know to
to be honest with you that's it's
considered treasury so again like and I
I I want to reiterate this because I
think a lot of people don't understand
how complex when you deploy these
launches how complex they are but you're
competing against a 100 plus of the
greatest snipers in the world who are
just peeling 10 20 30 million off these
big launches and walking away and in two
seconds they'll also sorry the other
thing is they'll dump it in two seconds
that they'll just dump it based on when
they want to they won't even they won't
even sell based on like a dlmm or a clmm
or a strategy or like a okay there's
there's you know a billion dollars of
volume this won't hurt the chart nothing
they're just going to Nuke it when they
want to so one of the ways to deter that
which again you can say is [ __ ] up I
mean fine but is to try and get like try
and have that token come out and smack
and and snipe into it so the market cap
is higher to get into at the beginning
which retail never even gets that anyway
like retail never sees that retail sees
it 10 minutes later when it's at 10 20x
already so we're also trying to help
retail but nobody sees that everybody
just sees oh it's Insider oh it's
sniping that's not it it's much more
complex than that and people just see
that as benefiting and it's not it's not
it's not the
case every one of these projects the
idea is to get to a year two years plus
every one of these teams there's never a
a sense of like let's go make shitloads
of money from the
beginning so I just want that to be
known because whether it's believed or
not that is 100% the
truth yeah I yeah I I I I I I just don't
I I just don't know like to me it seems
like if you really wanted
to bring up the market cap I guess you
could structure your liquidity pool in a
certain way where it's priced in or you
could you don't have to do the
single-sided liquidity there's like a
number of ways you could do it where you
don't they're not all single sided
they're not all single-sided right no
but what I'm saying is
like you could you could create a
structure I think where a lot of this
happens without sniping but the
intention is to do that but it doesn't
matter they all get
sniped you could launch it at a billion
you could launch it at 500 you could
launch it at 200 you could launch it at
300 they all get sniped it just it's
kind of like this okay finally I've kind
of come up with the thing like you're
basically you're like a bank right and
you got like a hey you know there
there's money in the bank come like try
to like kind of play the game but you're
like look I'm afraid that people are
going to get to my bank vault first so
I'm going to rob myself first in order
to put money back in the vault later and
we just all are squinting our eyes like
well are you ever going to actually put
the money back in the vault and that's
kind of this weird like trust game we
have to play of oh yeah sounds that
actually sounds exactly like crypto but
sure like yeah I mean that's actually
not the worst dep that's not the worst
like depiction okay I I mean every every
one of these launches is is is like is
just like d like how the the question on
everybody's mind is how do we launch
this as fairly and without snipers like
do you do a big pre-marketing hype about
it well then all the snipers are going
to know do you do it stealth but and and
then somehow a couple people get to
figure it out I don't know it it's
always like that and you and nobody else
has given me an actual answer which is
why I just get blamed but nobody
provides a solution of like this is how
we should do this going forward and this
is why it makes sense because it's all
on the blockchain so it's all able to be
seen to some degree or
another it is all it it is all on the
blockchain I mean again I've put forward
my thoughts about meme coins in general
and stuff so I have some recommendations
I don't I'm not I've never been accused
of not having enough opinions I mean I
think anyone who knows me knows that but
uh you know whether you think those are
valid or not it's a different story
listen Hayden I think you've covered the
majority of the big stuff I want to
thank you
for telling your side of the story like
I said I may not agree with it but you
know I think you have shed light on a
lot of issues that were previously not
touched on that are relevant I think
this will end up being an important
interview um so I appreciate it yeah no
worries okay take care byebye